Infinite Monkeys: MoveOn lowers the shameless bar .. again

June 18, 2008

MoveOn lowers the shameless bar .. again

From the same people who brought you the contemptible "General Betray Us" ad comes another despicable attack. The big-pocketed political group
goes after John McCain, taking Obama's distortion of McCain's "100 years" in Iraq comment to an absurdly exploitative level.

And lest you think this is just some fringe group that should be ignored, note that American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees — one of the nation's largest unions and the backbone of mainstream Democratic politics — is also funding this ad.

Let's go over that script again (and isn't it nice that government workers that we pay have their wages garnished to put out this garbage?):

Hi John McCain. This is Alex. And he's my first. So far his talents include trying any new food and chasing after our dog. That, and making my heart pound every time I look at him. And so, John McCain, when you say you would stay in Iraq for 100 years, were you counting on Alex? Because if you were, you can't have him.

Well, dearie. That won't exactly be your choice. You see, we have a volunteer armed forces in this country. And when Alex is 18, he can choose to join the military without your say-so. I doubt he'd choose such a noble path of public service judging from the upbringing he's in for. But who knows? Maybe when he's 18, he'll rebel against the hard-lefty indoctrination of his childhood and become a Marine. If he's looking for a flash-point of resentment, maybe he'll not take kindly to being used as a political prop by his moonbat mom as a toddler.

Besides, unless we amend the Constitution, McCain won't be having Alex trampsing around the world in a pointless struggle against imaginary enemies. McCain would be in the middle of his fifth term and be about to turn 90. McCain's a vigorous man, but probably not that vigorous. And the war might very well be over by the time President Chelsea Clinton takes the oath of office as the nation's second female president (following a Republican).

Allahpundit at Hot Air notes that Time's Chuck Todd is of the opinion that the ad will backfire. That would be nice — and a first. Blogmeister USA has one of my favorite takes:

Unless a future president decides to institute the draft by then, you won't have to worry that little Alex will be torn away from his Feminist, Gender and Sexuality Studies Program at college. He'll also have plenty of time to go snowboarding, mountain biking, and do all of the other fun stuff that young men in his position in life get to enjoy during vacation while mommy and daddy foot the bills. ... John McCain "can't have" her baby. Frankly, if he turns out to be anything like she is, let's thank our lucky stars.

Heh.

This ad is the perfect distillation of what the left thinks of the men and women who serve in the military. They always portray them as "children" duped into fighting Bush's stupid war, or suckered by the G.I. Bill, or left with no other career options because of the dead-end lives they live away from the enlightened metropolis. And now they have, quite literally, infantalized the troops.

Yeah. I think it might backfire.

Posted by Dr. Zaius at June 18, 2008 08:37 PM | TrackBack

Comments

I read about this ad the other day. I could see how some people might find it compelling. I guess the question I would have for Alex's mom is, "Is anything worth fighting or dying for?"

It's possible her answer would be no. What would be our answer to that?

Posted by: Ben at June 19, 2008 01:05 AM

I personally know one lady who twice voted for Bush but is determined not to vote Republican this time because her sons and daughters are approaching military age. I'm not sure that the baby Alex ad even qualifies as an exaggeration given the determination of the war party to continue and expand its program of wars and occupations. The only problem I have with the ad is the implication by omission that Obama is offering anything different. What I think and hope will finally derail the project of global empire will be the financial meltdown of the imperial heartland due to excessive indebtedness. As far as I'm concerned, it can't happen too soon.

Posted by: kirt higdon at June 19, 2008 06:50 AM

moveon has to step it up more. this propaganda is way too weak. it needs to get way more shameless.

Posted by: john b at June 19, 2008 08:32 AM

I hate to be the one to break it to her, but by the time little "Alex" is old enough to serve his country, John McCain (assuming, hypothetically that he wins the General Election and is re-elected in 2012) would no longer be in office.

Evidently, the collective at MoveOn possesses neither basic math skills nor common sense.

Posted by: at June 19, 2008 10:33 AM

Evidently, the collective at MoveOn possesses neither basic math skills nor common sense.

Posted by: rabidsquirrel at June 19, 2008 10:33 AM

Sorry for being late to this conversation. I pick it up because Bill Kristol revived it this morning. I posted this today over at my other spot:

I was starting to think Bill Kristol had a point this morning, as he pointed out the flaws in a MoveOn.org ad in which a woman tells John McCain she can't have her infant son for an endless war in Iraq:

Now it might be pedantic to point out that John McCain isn’t counting on Alex to serve in Iraq, because little Alex will only be 9 years old when President McCain leaves office after two terms....

But it is surely relevant to point out that the United States has an all-volunteer Army. Alex won’t be drafted, and his mommy can’t enlist him. He can decide when he’s an adult whether he wants to serve. And, of course, McCain supports the volunteer army.

Well, OK, sure. We can argue about these things, but I can see the point. Certainly, I'm not going to be making any donations on MoveOn anytime soon. But then Kristol goes there:

The MoveOn ad is unapologetic in its selfishness, and barely disguised in its disdain for those who have chosen to serve — and its contempt for those parents who might be proud of sons and daughters who are serving. The ad boldly embraces a vision of a selfish and infantilized America, suggesting that military service and sacrifice are unnecessary and deplorable relics of the past.

And that's why Kristol has his richly deserved reputation as a hack. Look at the ad. Is there one word spent deploring the military, or denigrating the sacrifice of our armed forces? No.

I don't think it's even implied. It's a straightforward and specific criticism of the war in Iraq, and only the war in Iraq. Kristol, though, wants you to think it's anti-troop ... based on the fact that he wants you to think it's anti-troop. It's almost as though he doesn't really want to have a conversation about the war itself.

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NOT, I hasten to add, that I think anybody here is a hack. Really.

Posted by: Joel at June 23, 2008 10:51 AM

I'm glad you don't think anyone here is a hack, especially since I started this post. :o

Anyway, you're right, Joel. Nowhere in the ad does Mom say: "I deplore the military and so will Alex. Though I think it's pretty safe to imply some larger views in the context of the script and source of this ad..

I think when you say "you can't have my son" for the military, it's safe to assume Mom doesn't have much respect for the military. And, like I say in my closing comment, this is the reducto ad absurdum of the left's view of the military. The ad literally infantilizes potential recruits.

Posted by: Dr. Zaius at June 23, 2008 12:55 PM

But, but: She doesn't say you can't have my son for the military. She's saying you can't have my son for Iraq.

There really is a difference. I swear. And I don't think it does the troops -- or the cause of rational and productive public debate -- any good to keep muddying the line.

Posted by: Joel at June 23, 2008 02:36 PM

Perhaps Mom simply doesn't have much respect for the people who have the authority to send the military to invade countries who haven't attacked us, and then order them to stay there and continue to nation-build (and empire-build) for another century. After all, she's telling John McCain, a politician, that HE can't have her son.

Posted by: Monkey RobbL at June 23, 2008 03:22 PM

OK, guys. You win. From now on, anyone who joins the military -- from the highest officer to any PFC -- gets to decide if they want to fight, where they want to fight and when they want to fight. On a case-by-case basis.

Don't want to fight terrorists in Iraq? Fine. Hand out meals in Haiti. Think we should be going after terrorists in Malaysia? Drop a note in the suggestion box, and we'll see.

Posted by: Dr. Zaius at June 23, 2008 03:41 PM

I'm not sure I understand - are we supposed to encourage our children to join a military that requires its soldiers to do whatever they're told, even if it's immoral? Should a soldier kill who he's told, when he's told, without evaluating the justice of his actions? Where's the line? Should a soldier NOT have the right to leave if a war is (in his judgment) unjust? If not, then what caring parent would support their child (of any age) submitting themselves to a contract that requires them to go on any mission ordered?

Posted by: Monkey RobbL at June 23, 2008 08:41 PM

Robb,

Short answer to all your questions: Yes. The military is controlled by a democracy, but not a democracy itself.

Some professions come with certain responsibilities — duties, as it were. Lawyers have to follow certain rules. Doctors have to follow certain rules. So do soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines. Freelance too much and you get into legal trouble — which is why a lawyer can be disbarred (or worse) for breaking the rules, doctors can have their licenses taken away (or sued, or prosecuted) for breaking rules, and a member of the military is subject to courtmartial and imprisonment for not following legal orders.

Don't encourage your children to join the military if they don't understand how it works going in. It is still a free country.

Posted by: Dr. Zaius at June 23, 2008 09:00 PM

Okay, I need a ruling from the judges - can I bring up the Nazis now?

Posted by: Monkey RobbL at June 24, 2008 08:49 AM

You mean, can you bring up the idea of comparing my argument to the Nazis by asking if you can bring up the Nazis?

Well, yes. By all means. :-)

Now ... under the bylaws of the Universal Protocol on Blogging, Chapter 236, Section 19, Paragraph 5, this matter between us is now closed. On to talking about movies!!!

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